tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2634607205622614424.post2246014305110058136..comments2023-09-24T14:32:57.972+05:30Comments on Random Musings ..: Capital Punishment : Is Killing For Killing Ethical?Sathyuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07852818276879627691noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2634607205622614424.post-21561881705584877882012-11-21T23:57:01.931+05:302012-11-21T23:57:01.931+05:30Here is my 2 cents:
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I am hesit...Here is my 2 cents:<br />-------------------<br />I am hesitant to buy motherhood statements and do away with capital punishment. My hesitation stems from two very observable traits of human nature. The Reward-Punishment incentive adherence that all living creatures exhibit to a strikingly stunning degree and the tendency of humans to game the systems so well.<br /> <br />Our ancestors knew that since the preservation of life/self is the prime incentive for nearly all of our actions, there is an undeniable advantage in fixing life as the ultimate price for straying from the straight and the narrow. All cultures, rulers and governments in history have played this card, pretty whimsically, in the last 10 thousand years to stifle dissent. Only in the last two centuries, with the presence of widespread democratization and the absence of permanent rulers, have we checked and brought down death sentences to a bearable minimum in most countries. So, it is natural for us, who happen to live in the best of times since human evolution, to ask the question, “Can we do away with death penalty?”<br /><br />The answer to this has to come from the second trait I mentioned above, I think. The human ingenuity is such that once we know the system, we start gaming it. Take Security for example. While a biometric pass code is a sure-fire security system for an illiterate mountain tribe, even such high-tech security is going to be compromised, albeit occasionally, in the so called “Knowledge Economy”, where some people know how it actually works. Here is another example in a day-to-day sense: once we have studied the boss, we adjust our behavior. The point is that we game systems right, left and centre. All the time.<br /><br />Since our nature is such, you can always expect a bunch of seasoned murderers, who are beyond repair due to their nature and nurture, beginning to game this No-Capital-Punishment System so very beautifully to their advantage. Currently, death penalty is pronounced, if we take what they keep saying at face value, in the rarest of rare cases. You may argue that keeping the rarest of rare murderers on the right side of the prison walls for life is a better punishment. But, the rarest of rare murderers by definition are beyond repair. Then, what are we going to achieve? And imagine the costs involved in keeping someone there for life. Why should society allocate resources for a losing cause? <br /><br />Once they know that they are not going to be asked to pay the ultimate price no matter what, there is no deterrence for would-be murderers. In fact, we are treading a dangerous territory here. If A kills B and the Government will not settle the matter properly, then the relatives of B are left to fend for themselves (knowing full well that they also will not be executed by the Government even if caught). We are entering a vicious cycle. I have a feeling that we will head back to the dark ages, slowly but surely. <br /><br />So, it is always better to allow self-interest to do the moral policing and what is more, it is cheaper. Put the ultimate price on murder. Let me end this post by quoting someone I don’t quote often, Maggie Thatcher.<br /><br />“Personally have always voted for the death penalty because I believe that people who go out prepared to take the lives of other people forfeit their own right to live. I believe that death penalty should be used only very rarely, but I believe that no-one should go out certain that no matter how cruel, how vicious, how hideous their murder, they themselves will not suffer the death penalty.”<br />Swaminathan Poornachandrannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2634607205622614424.post-84707093129211557252010-05-09T13:30:08.527+05:302010-05-09T13:30:08.527+05:30Kasab killed 160 people in that fateful night. Whe...Kasab killed 160 people in that fateful night. Whether he was a pawn or not is immaterial from the standpoint of near and dear ones of those 160 people. How will this mass of people give solace to themselves. If Kasab is not given Capital punishment, he would continue to haunt this huge mass. Like Madhani, the accused of coimbatore blast. He was later on given VIP treatment by Thirus of Kerela & TN. Even the assembly passed a resolution for him. Same would happen in case of Kasab. If not given CP, a time will come when he could even be made a hero by our visionary politicians. The fact that the society is not able to heal the wounds of people affected by terrorist/other kind of violence makes them ask for severest of punishment to the perpetrators. They actually want to heal their wounds. If, as society/govt./civil right activist/human right champion, we can work out a strategy where we take care of the sufferers, only then we can argue for abolishing CP. Not before.Pankajnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2634607205622614424.post-54679744001161582132010-05-08T23:46:03.380+05:302010-05-08T23:46:03.380+05:30Abou Ben Adhem
Abou Ben Adhem (may his tribe inc...<b>Abou Ben Adhem</b> <br /> Abou Ben Adhem (may his tribe increase!)<br /> Awoke one night from a deep dream of peace,<br /> And saw, within the moonlight in his room,<br /> Making it rich, and like a lily in bloom,<br /> An Angel writing in a book of gold:<br /><br /> Exceeding peace had made Ben Adhem bold,<br /> And to the Presence in the room he said,<br /> "What writest thou?" The Vision raised its head,<br /> And with a look made of all sweet accord<br /> Answered, "The names of those who love the Lord."<br /><br /> "And is mine one?" said Abou. "Nay, not so,"<br /> Replied the Angel. Abou spoke more low,<br /> But cheerily still; and said, "I pray thee, then,<br /> Write me as one who loves his fellow men."<br /><br /> The Angel wrote, and vanished. The next night<br /> It came again with a great wakening light,<br /> And showed the names whom love of God had blessed,<br /> And, lo! Ben Adhem's name led all the rest!<br /><br />-- James Leigh HuntVaninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2634607205622614424.post-43307904460697645522010-05-08T23:21:15.707+05:302010-05-08T23:21:15.707+05:30no profound comment. Disorder in the society, fail...no profound comment. Disorder in the society, failed state, economic/social inequality leads to many human predicaments. They react in expected and unexpected way and sorcerous fingers of FATE changes them from paupers to human bombers. Most of the time, pent up frustration is directed at weaker point. original sinners like Europe and America are able to manage the problem somehow. Lesser sinners but weaker ones like ours are facing serious problem. <br /><br /> Can Ashish nandy, Noam chomsky, Arundhati Roy and still better theoreticians make us understand the reality in better way?. Are all these giving only partial understanding of the Labyrinths of reality more complex than Borges had imagined.<br /><br /> Is it possible to discuss about justice easily?. Can atleast Scandinavian countries show us some way in the place of Americas and Chinas.red earth and pouring rainnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2634607205622614424.post-81287110363201349872010-05-08T20:17:57.573+05:302010-05-08T20:17:57.573+05:30I accept the verdict and at its face value. I go w...I accept the verdict and at its face value. I go with the commonly held view that some where some parents would warn their children away from joining terrorist groups and some people who know him would get the message. He cannot be compared to an innocent who may be hanged for petty reasons.Rajihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13874564347046531427noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2634607205622614424.post-20380990059659003752010-05-08T12:06:12.173+05:302010-05-08T12:06:12.173+05:30An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind,...An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind, said Gandhiji. <br />That statement of Kia Scherr is so touching.<br />Agreed. Hanging Kasab is not a solution. <br />But then what is the solution to such senseless terrorism?PallaviGoshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02791010337700340214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2634607205622614424.post-27196576913633194652010-05-08T11:24:20.418+05:302010-05-08T11:24:20.418+05:30Da blog raises da fundamental question of whether ...Da blog raises da fundamental question of whether capital punishment shud be abolished or not. U seem to be pleading da case for da abolition of capital punishment as it is being done by da various human rights/civil liberties groups. <br /><br />When u ask wat is justice, u shud go deep into da debate between John Rawls (A Theory of Justice) & Robert Nozick (Anarchy, State & Utopia). Both of these important thinkers answer da complex issues involved in distributive justice, though they r opposed to each other. <br /><br />When u talk about punishment, u shud know from where u stand & argue. Whether from an Utilitarian or a Retributivist standpoint. Though both endeavour to maximise da total welfare of all da individuals, der'z a sea of difference between them. Only if u understand these basic distinctions, u can comprehend da concept of Jeremy Bentham's 'Panopticon', which was later on popularised by Michel Foucault in his 'Discipline & Punish'.<br /><br />Similarly 'Ethics' is a very interesting subject. Am currently teaching, rather studying, da subject of 'Ethics' at UCLA. There r two fundamentally differing perspectives : teleological & deontological. From here emerges da 'ends' vs 'means' debate starting from Immanuel Kant to Frances Kamm ('Principle of Permissible Harm') and from Buddha to Gandhi. <br /><br />U shud've started da blog by paraphrasing da description of public violence & torture of Robert-Francois Damiens in 18th century as detailed by Foucault in dat classic book & then got into these important theoretical issues, without which u can't make any deep sense of anything. Finally, u shud have ended da blog with da quote of Kia Scherr & da way u've ended, which has come out quite well.<br /><br />I may sound pompously pedagogic. But, without making da least bit of sincere efforts to comprehend da vast corpus of philosophical foundations & theoretical contours, if u attempt to write a blog on a subject like dis, it wud become a simplistic yap only. U shud put in more efforts to become more erudite like what u've sincerely done in a few of da earlier blogs.<br /><br />Inspite of these serious lacunae, u'r blog on da subject is interesting to read b'coz of da writing flair which u seem to be slowly acquiring. But my warning is dat u'r blog shud not degenerate into a shallow romantic hack rather than maturing into a scholarly endeavour.chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04172536952662444170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2634607205622614424.post-22872405969989827962010-05-08T09:25:44.230+05:302010-05-08T09:25:44.230+05:30Kia scherr is living the concept of forgiveness-it...Kia scherr is living the concept of forgiveness-it is in her bone marrow, in her every cell.So much so that she expresses no anger even once-rather, it may not have risen at all.Saintliness need not be found in the Himalayas only.<br />When Tao is lost, there is goodness,<br />when goodness is lost, there is kindness,<br />when kindness is lost, there is justice,<br />when justice is lost, there is ritual.<br />-Tao te ching(38)<br />Justice falls far far down in the way of life.Even Sonia Gandhi said that she forgave Dhanu, who was resposible for the death of Rajiv Gandhi.<br />Lord,forgive them for they know not what they are doing-ChristAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com